Comments on: Certifications, response to Bex Huff’s post http://www.dannorris.com/2009/01/15/certifications-response-to-bex-huffs-post/ Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:55:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Experts Debate on Oracle Certification | 70-620 Exam - Microsoft Questions on 70-620 Exam and Answers http://www.dannorris.com/2009/01/15/certifications-response-to-bex-huffs-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2864 Experts Debate on Oracle Certification | 70-620 Exam - Microsoft Questions on 70-620 Exam and Answers Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:55:10 +0000 http://www.dannorris.com/?p=300#comment-2864 [...] Dan Norris on Oracle Certification [...] [...] Dan Norris on Oracle Certification [...]

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]]> By: Dan Norris http://www.dannorris.com/2009/01/15/certifications-response-to-bex-huffs-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2582 Dan Norris Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:22:58 +0000 http://www.dannorris.com/?p=300#comment-2582 Hi Paul,<br><br>Thanks for stopping by and sharing. I'm sure we're all looking forward to the post on course requirements. I suspect that may be a lively thread! Hi Paul,

Thanks for stopping by and sharing. I'm sure we're all looking forward to the post on course requirements. I suspect that may be a lively thread!

]]> By: Don Seiler http://www.dannorris.com/2009/01/15/certifications-response-to-bex-huffs-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2581 Don Seiler Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:53:35 +0000 http://www.dannorris.com/?p=300#comment-2581 Couldn't agree more with you. From what I've read of the OCM, it's something to take notice of when someone gets one. I have an OCP, and got one mainly to get myself to learn the material. A means to an end, I suppose.<br><br>Also a "hear hear" to not requiring in-class training. That's just a golden goose for training partners, IMHO. I had done most of my studying before the class, and so was pretty much tuned out during the class. I asked a few questions that I thought would help the other students when I felt the instructor was going too fast, but that's about it. Although it *did* get me to go to Schaumburg for some Portello's. Couldn't agree more with you. From what I've read of the OCM, it's something to take notice of when someone gets one. I have an OCP, and got one mainly to get myself to learn the material. A means to an end, I suppose.

Also a “hear hear” to not requiring in-class training. That's just a golden goose for training partners, IMHO. I had done most of my studying before the class, and so was pretty much tuned out during the class. I asked a few questions that I thought would help the other students when I felt the instructor was going too fast, but that's about it. Although it *did* get me to go to Schaumburg for some Portello's.

]]> By: Paul Sorensen http://www.dannorris.com/2009/01/15/certifications-response-to-bex-huffs-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2580 Paul Sorensen Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:51:30 +0000 http://www.dannorris.com/?p=300#comment-2580 Hi Dan,<br><br>Thanks for your support. I agree with many of your points and many of the comments that people have made. I believe that certification should only be one (of many factors) used in hiring/screening decisions. Certification should not be entirely discounted though - it's particularly valuable one has gone through a legitimate process of preparing (study, training, practice) for the exam or exams. This can be tremendously valuable.<br><br> I'll get up a post in the regarding our position on the course requirement. I've been meaning to do this for some time.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Paul Sorensen <br>(blogs.oracle.com/certification) Hi Dan,

Thanks for your support. I agree with many of your points and many of the comments that people have made. I believe that certification should only be one (of many factors) used in hiring/screening decisions. Certification should not be entirely discounted though – it's particularly valuable one has gone through a legitimate process of preparing (study, training, practice) for the exam or exams. This can be tremendously valuable.

I'll get up a post in the regarding our position on the course requirement. I've been meaning to do this for some time.

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]]> By: Dan Norris http://www.dannorris.com/2009/01/15/certifications-response-to-bex-huffs-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2579 Dan Norris Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:51:46 +0000 http://www.dannorris.com/?p=300#comment-2579 Interesting ideas, I dunno the answers, though. I'm probably going to see Dan at RMOUG in a few weeks, so maybe we'll get into chats there. <br><br>To your other question, I think having a cert that is NOT offered by Oracle might very well be a positive thing. It'd take time to gain street cred, but so did OCM, I think. Interesting ideas, I dunno the answers, though. I'm probably going to see Dan at RMOUG in a few weeks, so maybe we'll get into chats there.

To your other question, I think having a cert that is NOT offered by Oracle might very well be a positive thing. It'd take time to gain street cred, but so did OCM, I think.

]]> By: Charles Schultz http://www.dannorris.com/2009/01/15/certifications-response-to-bex-huffs-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2578 Charles Schultz Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:23:05 +0000 http://www.dannorris.com/?p=300#comment-2578 A user community based certification.... now that would be interesting. But how it would it gain more publicly-acceptable credence than what Oracle U offers? And what do you do with consultant companies that are very involved in user communities - would they be allowed to sponsor such a certification? Wouldn't that be a little awkward? =)<br><br>The PSOUG is putting on a Boot Camp. Could one get a certificate out of that? Would Dan Morgan be willing to "sell" or otherwise share the curriculum (I already asked earlier this month - still waiting to hear back)?<br><br>It does seem that Oracle U lacks competition. And it certainly seems that they have sullied the good name of Oracle by decreasing the quality/cost ratio. But maybe that's just me. A user community based certification…. now that would be interesting. But how it would it gain more publicly-acceptable credence than what Oracle U offers? And what do you do with consultant companies that are very involved in user communities – would they be allowed to sponsor such a certification? Wouldn't that be a little awkward? =)

The PSOUG is putting on a Boot Camp. Could one get a certificate out of that? Would Dan Morgan be willing to “sell” or otherwise share the curriculum (I already asked earlier this month – still waiting to hear back)?

It does seem that Oracle U lacks competition. And it certainly seems that they have sullied the good name of Oracle by decreasing the quality/cost ratio. But maybe that's just me.

]]> By: Dan Norris http://www.dannorris.com/2009/01/15/certifications-response-to-bex-huffs-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2577 Dan Norris Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:47:22 +0000 http://www.dannorris.com/?p=300#comment-2577 That's an interesting take for sure. Charles (comment above) suggested that there be a new, higher level of certification for those that really know their stuff. I think a reality-based scenario like you mention is an interesting one to contemplate for such a certification. Maybe we shouldn't wait for Oracle to do something like that, but start it from a user community group instead? That's an interesting take for sure. Charles (comment above) suggested that there be a new, higher level of certification for those that really know their stuff. I think a reality-based scenario like you mention is an interesting one to contemplate for such a certification. Maybe we shouldn't wait for Oracle to do something like that, but start it from a user community group instead?

]]> By: Dan Norris http://www.dannorris.com/2009/01/15/certifications-response-to-bex-huffs-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2576 Dan Norris Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:42:08 +0000 http://www.dannorris.com/?p=300#comment-2576 Glad you posted. If you're a tweeter, you should also follow mediaguy777. When he's not spouting on about video production, he is part of the Oracle Certification team. There's also an OracleCert twitter account, I think (you'll find it in my friends list). <br><br>Good thoughts. I hope you will share/blog/email the response you get, if any. Glad you posted. If you're a tweeter, you should also follow mediaguy777. When he's not spouting on about video production, he is part of the Oracle Certification team. There's also an OracleCert twitter account, I think (you'll find it in my friends list).

Good thoughts. I hope you will share/blog/email the response you get, if any.

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